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Post by G. Gerald Garcia on May 31, 2005 0:38:11 GMT -7
I have seen no advertising for this event anywhere in Calgary. Converstion reps usually made their rounds to most of the comic shops. A month before the event and we have nothing? That being said... Check it out! There maybe something of interest to you? (Just a note FC designed the website. GarSeeYa!!!
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Post by FC on May 31, 2005 7:09:39 GMT -7
Most people know what I feel about attending this event, so I'm not going to go into that. HOWEVER - but it seems to me the promotions is going much the same way as last year's event. (IE: minimal). For years, on a consistent basis, I've been able to ask friends and co-workers who are scifi/fantasy fans if they've ever heard of this event, and almost consistently, they've said no every time. I was also in horror when I talked to you (Gerald) last year about ComiKazi going (one to two weeks before con), and you mentioned you'd not recieved any info from them. Also asking a few of the vendors who did actually make it to the dealer room, I got the same impression (that contact times were awfully tight). For that matter, due to issues related to health and just poor planning in general, the con would have never actually had an art show if they'd not been pushed. Me getting put on the job 2 weeks before it actually happened was stressful, to say the least. This is not to say that Westercon WILL be like that, given that it's a slightly different group that's running it and it's supposed to be 'different', but things certainly do seem like they'll be heading that way. I've also noticed the same thing Andrew seems to have noticed, re: programming.... yep, WC does have 8 streams of programming, and they have everything blocked out, but I find it very hard to believe that people will be willing to actually spend the membership fee in order to provide programming/discussion to fill those programming slots. For that matter, ConVersion always had trouble filling those spots, and even then they let people in free for those particular talks. This is another thing that's been argued over and over again, but WC people have never seemed to move on. I think it's a great thing that some people DO want to spend that amount of money to speak to a relatively small amount of people... but I can also understand that most other people simply can't afford it (or aren't really able to make use of the full cost of the membership). Incidentally, they ripped the code of the front end of things from my sample site... so things look... odd. (To me at least)
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Post by attoboy on May 31, 2005 13:36:20 GMT -7
Hey FC, I'll be sure and give Standlee a shot in the chops for you!
No use beating the dead horse of self-promotion with regard to the ConVersion/Westercon people. The show is what it is and they seem satisfied with it. Fortunately we have other options in other cons, shows and events.
I don't mind blowing the bucks to attend this once a year thing, though I have to admit it takes me longer to sign up each year.
Cheers! -Derek
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Post by Andrew on Jun 2, 2005 9:38:49 GMT -7
Gerald--
Took your concern to my only real contact on the WC committee, Randy McCharles (he spearheaded the movement to get WC in Calgary, though he's not the official guy in charge at this point), and got this back:
<Hi Andrew. Actually WC has done 10 times more local marketing than CV, only we have no one who frequents comics stores putting out flyers. I'd do this myself but I've been stuck doing 10 other jobs as well and haven't had any time to help with local marketing. I still haven't event contacted many regular participants. Trying to catch up...
Randy>
I realize this doesn't exactly square with your experience, but there it is. Hopefully the note will rectify things, somewhat.
Personally, I suspect WC is relying on a lot of people to show up from out of town without needing to be nudged/reminded--WC is a fairly major convention, and I gather there are a couple hundred "regulars" who will attend regardless of where it's being held.
As a convention, Con-Version has been on the ropes for years--a lack of new blood, either from lack of interest or isolationist/elitist practices from people in charge of the con, is the critical problem, and the absence of promotions now looks to me like another symptom of the greater disease.
Fewer volunteers have led to stalwarts like Randy struggling to get everything that needs to get done done, often at the last minute (one year...maybe even last year, my memory's shot, I ended up contacting, or trying to contact, everyone who might be interested in taking part in comic programming the week before the con, simply because, to the best of my knowledge, NO ONE ELSE HAD DONE IT YET and I didn't want to end up alone on seven panels {I've got a soft spot for comic programming at the con, having been drafted to run it for a couple years}.)
If things continue going the way they have been, I seriously doubt there'll be a Con-Version a couple years down the line. Actually, I'm kind of surprised they've pulled it out of the fire the last couple of years.
That said, if someone with a forward-thinking agenda and a few good people can see the use of a three-day convention (non-profit, which has turned some people off coming in and helping out) focused on sci-fi, fantasy, anime, costuming, roleplaying and, yes, comics (though never to the degree I was personally satisfied with), there is something in the way of a structure and a legacy pretty much up for grabs, as far as I can tell.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 2, 2005 10:08:50 GMT -7
<No use beating the dead horse of self-promotion with regard to the ConVersion/Westercon people. The show is what it is and they seem satisfied with it.>
Do you really think they're satisfied with it? I haven't been to a ConCom meeting in ages (I didn't go even when I was running comic programming--too much niggling little crap for me to be bothered with), but my impression is that they really aren't satisfied, so much as promotion takes a low priority compared to other things that need to be dealt with by a dwindling number of people.
Polarizing things to a ridiculous degree, the choice they (believe they) have is between getting as many people come to a con that isn't as good as it could be, or putting on as good a con as they can, but not getting as many people as they might to come take part in it.
At this stage, it seems to me they should be focusing on the promotions, as, well, someone will almost always step up to take care of the portion of the con they care about if it's clear nobody else is doing it. But, by its very nature, the ConCom's almost inevitably going to end up run with a fan mentality, rather than a professional/marketing/sales one, even if that approach will ultimately run it into the ground...
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Post by attoboy on Jun 2, 2005 14:14:59 GMT -7
Do you really think they're satisfied with it? They would answer "no, we're always trying to improve" but by their (in)action it appears they are status quo and ready to go. Understand, I think most of them are bright, articulate well-meaning people. They simply lack meaningful skills and knowledge assets. That's why there is a committee. Committees hide ignorance and distribute culpability until each snowflake can claim it didn't start the avalanche. Good things are driven (sometimes through substantial resistance) when individuals such as Florence Chan (art show), Randy McCharles (programming) or some lunk named Foley (programming) bootstrap the process themselves. McCharles rocks. He is a good guy who can actually do the job (which can't be said of past convention organizers). He is seriously hampered by a lack of real assets, human and otherwise. The lack is not in terms of sheer numbers, but in terms of applicability and growth potential. When I was on the committee many moons ago, I remember that a lady who ran special projects for Nova Corp joined at the same time. Following one of the meetings rife with "too much niggling little crap" she turned to me and said, "five of my people could put this whole show together in ten business days and come in under budget." I spent two years on the committee and she was right. In fact, I have personally put on bigger shows in less time. It is possible to create better results with less people in less time than they spend. They just don't know how to do it and don't want to know how to do it. As long as ConVersion continues as it has with its core 300 annual attendees, I can't conclude other than that they appear satisfied with it. -Derek
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